Sure. Let’s fire the salesman. It’s all his fault. Something smells musky here.
Yeah, it’s HIS fault.
PSA: musk is a fascist and Nazi. Buying cars from Tesla directly supports him and thus all the terrible things he does. There are lots of much better electric cars if that’s what you want
Edit: I sure kicked a hornets nest saying maybe not buy from the fascist. To be clear: almost every car manufacturer has EVs now, multiple models. If you can’t find one of those that’s good deal and just have to buy Tesla, maybe you just really want a Tesla idk. If you want the ‘good deal’ I highly doubt Tesla really stacks up, but the best deal as always will be buying something used.
Not just buying.
Even if you had yours from the salute, or whatever, he’s still using your driving data to train their self driving softwares.
They’re still selling your data to whoever, too.
Including actions and conversations in and around the vehicle.
Crazy how this is what determines how most of you spend your money, not whether what you’re buying is a good deal or not.
If you consider it crazy to fight fascism, maybe you are a fascist.
Nah. The crazy part is how they think it’s okay to be ripped off as long as it’s not by a fascist.
If my options are ripped off by a fascist or ripped off by not a fascist, then yes, I’ll choose to be ripped off by not a fascist. The fuck kind of argument did you think you were making?
Don’t get ripped off.
I know, that’s a foreign concept to most of you.
Rich coming from the person trying to justify Tesla cars as not a ripoff when they’re some of the worst shit to come out of North America in the past few decades, equipped with a ripoff self-driving technology that doesn’t work even though it was promised to be coming as a fully fledged feature a decade ago, and which has been getting charged as a complete feature for just as long.
Maybe, just maybe, the ultra-billionaire fascist asshole who’s hoarding wealth by inflating his companies’ stock prices doesn’t have his costumer’s best interests in mind. I know, shocking, moral values kinda correlate with whether you’re getting ripped off or not, its a crazy concept, and one that the MAGA folks so desperately think they understand but they sorely don’t.
I’m literally saying Teslas are a ripoff.
You’re paying extra because there’s no competition. There’s no competition because the same people profiting off of your naivete uses that profit to buy your government and make your laws.
You’re the one who injected “getting ripped off” into the discussion as some false dichotomy, so don’t grandstand about how apparently anyone who doesn’t support fascism is a sucker, you dolt.
Yeah, you don’t know how to read.
I’m sorry for that.
What car deal would end with me not getting ripped off in your humble opinion?
No one said that. Teslas are a ripoff anyway, so why are you framing this like it’s a choice between “support a fascist or get ripped off”? That’s fucking inane.
I said it’s crazy how this is where they draw the line.
Most of the people saying to avoid Tesla are only saying that because of the CEO, not because the cars are scams.
It’s part of why most people are rubes.
It’s crazy to you that someone would draw a line against supporting fascism? So if Elon released a decent product at a fair price, but was still an open neonazi, you would support him? Because having a moral stance guiding one’s economic decisions makes one a rube?!?
Do you read and enjoy Ayn Rand or something?
Criticizing Musk for being a nazi doesn’t preclude the other valid critiques such as Teslas being an overpriced and shitty product. That’s a strawman that you’ve injected into the conversation.
If Elon was still a fascist and offered a fair deal, then I wouldn’t be saying people are crazy for drawing the line at his fascism when the cars are scams.
You need to learn how to read before any of this will make sense.
Logic isn’t your strong suit, huh
How so?
Sue me for not wanting to enrich someone who spends their inhuman amount of wealth on advocating for everything I despise. Especially for something like a car that has competition.
I’ll sue you for not recognizing Teslas are a scam, regardless of how the CEO behaves!
“There are better cars”
There really aren’t. No car has gotten anywhere close to the level of tech in Tesla. But sure, let’s ignore that and spend more on shittier car because FUCK YOU. no nice things for you while there are hungry kids in Africa!
Buy what you want, he’s set for life regardless.
Tesla EV technology hasn’t changed in 10 years, and those cars are the bottom of the list for reliability.
10 years of no change and still ahead you say???
Where do you get the idea of “ahead”? They are still on 400V architecture, they are unrelaible, and lead with the most crashes of any car company, two years in a row. Is that what you mean by ahead?
Yes the pinnacle of tech where you can’t get out of car is on fire. And no removing speaker grills to find a latch is not an acceptable solution when your panicking.
Surely if that was such a problem and wide spread, it wouldn’t be allowed nor the best selling car worldwide? But hey, I’m sure your Chinese car does a lot better! And isn’t causing an actual ban to happen…
Surely if that was such a problem and wide spread, it wouldn’t be allowed
There were numerous government investigations into various Tesla issues, but he DOGEd them right out of existence, so a cringy asslicking PedoCon like you can say “If they were so bad, why doesn’t the government stop them?”
The comment didn’t deserve anything past this mockery.
If one copies and pastes same tired comments, what else do they expect?
Oh, and BTW, it isn’t the most popular car worldwide. China’s EVs outsell Tesla, and they are being welcomed by more and more countries.
Tesla will be bankrupt in 2 years.
Thanks for telling us you don’t give a damn about the children who burned alive in battery fires because they couldn’t get out of their parent’s tesla. Gruesome way to go that nobody deserves, especially not children. But I guess we can’t expect you to have empathy…
Their cars suck. They’re poor quality and unsafe.
Can you find some actual point except same old parroted one? “Poor quality”, the fuck does that even mean?
“Poor quality”, the fuck does that even mean?
Fucking Chevy makes a better car.
Holy shit that’s a motherfucker of a burn these days. Few years back Chevy truck roofs were cracking open, lol
Well, it’s not a good car but the panels line up and it has buttons for wipers, lights, and shit like they. It does only get 250mi range.
I drive a Chevy, can confirm, the door latches consistently work even when the power goes out (which is frequent LOL)
Does it do any of this?
Efficiency - 4 miles per kWh minimum. Obviously that’s for saloon / hatchback. Something like model y size 3.5 is acceptable. And this is something I want to verify myself, very few cars achieved this in my test drive.
Key less entry - I’m too used to it. I don’t want to go back to having to carry keys. I leave the house with just my phone and watch, both can pay for things and open things. They’re locked behind my biometrics so I deem it safe.
Sentry + dashcam - again, this is minimum in today’s day and age to me. The car should always be recording. I’m not getting 3d party camera in a car I already paid +40k for.
Fleet control - this is very country dependent. I can charge my car using wall plug and get super cheap rate or use a dummy charger which isn’t connected to my electricity supplier and the car will let them know how much electricity the car used and it’ll adjust on my bill. In quantifiable terms, this is a saving of 1/4th of charging cost or one of payment of £900 for installing compatible charger per location.
Boot space - I have family, space is needed. The easiest thing for cars to achieve really.
Software - be it accurate navigation, route planning or the touch and feel of it. Tesla Navigation is one I have most experience in. But I have serious confidence in it. I have arrived at home with 0% charge several times because the car said it could. It also got us through insane storm where it also accurately calculated the extra battery drain due to elevation and wind. Do other cars do it? Do they do it well? I know one thing, using Google / apple car play circumvent the in car navigation and charge networks so the built in map is actually important. One day hopefully they start supporting cars and then it’ll be non issue.
People hate on screen only, but I genuinely have never had problems with it. My wife also has no issues opening glove box, adjusting AC or changing songs or putting gps…
Driver safety - this is fairly high on the list of things which will male me hate the car. When you watch a car review. Pay attention to when they say “it’s super easy to turn off driver attention system!” THAT is a red flag. A car shouldn’t have such abysmal safety measures they’re annoying and you need to turn them off each drive because they self turn on. MG has the most annoying one and the dealer HAS LITERALLY TURN THEM OFF IN FRONT OF ME before letting me drive the car. I can’t express how bad some of these are.
Auto steer and cruise control - pretty much standard now days. I don’t need FSD, just simple keep this speed and don’t crash and on motorway, keep in the lane for me. Tesla autopilot is very good but others have come a long way over the 8 years.
Look - I want a sporty looking car and interior I want it to be leather like feel, no fabric, no tacky “recycled” look. I’m paying serious money and I want some comfort. It’s a low bar and pretty much any car I’ve test driven in the price range has been good enough comfort wise. I personally like minimalistic, but I’m not opposed to say the Taycan level.
Yes, other cars have all those features.
Name one.
Why would I? You haven’t listened to the answers 10 other people have given to your questions.
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I typed it all by myself, hence it reads so poorly, cunt. :)
How much is musk paying you? You could probably negotiate a better deal.
At least I have my own opinion without all these morons downvoting like it matters.
Not a single person has responded with a car yet. Wild how brain washed people got and I’m not going to buy another Tesla either, but if we can’t be honest about every other car being behind and doing fuck all to catch up? Then what’s the point. The level of hate and lack of reasoning is at least amusing. Must be Americans that are this level of stupid? Most of the comments came outside of European active hours.
No car has gotten anywhere close to the level of tech in Tesla.
Not really, and you have to consider a lot of ‘tech’ is useless crap nobody cares about like door handles that recede into the vehicle.
People literally just want an electric motor instead of an ICE. Dumb shit like touchscreens and tracking exist because companies charge more for each “feature” than it actually costs to implement.
There’s no alternative to sentry and keyless entry. Also no fleet control for cheap charging.
Maybe Rivian or lucid does, but they’re not in Europe. And have their own issues.
If your argument is “oh I don’t care so neither should you”, it’s a shitty argument.
Notice the comments below. Not a single one actually came with a real world example of a better car. But hey ho, to be expected. Unfortunately the elon hate while justified, brings a lot of shouting idiots out. Facts unfortunately care not about your feelings.
Not a single one actually came with a real world example of a better car.
Because Teslas are so unreliable, it’s easier to just the list the better cars.
Anyway, you will learn the hard way when you can’t fix that turd, and you can’t trade it in for a decent car, which is why they devalue an average of 69% in 5 years. Get a Cybertruck! People will think you are cool!
Okay but like … In my and the other user’s opinion there are better cars at the same or cheaper price point for what you get.
I mean I’m not going to write a whole article on it here but I don’t think it’s fair for you to act like Tesla has some magical monopoly on tech in their cars that other manufacturers are lacking. You could argue full self driving mode, maybe, but everything else exists in their competition too.
Besides even full self driving has its own problems.
Fuck self drive. There are individual things some will do better, but as a package? Tesla is unbeatable. I’ll paste what I’ve written earlier s to what makes Tesla the best:
Efficiency - 4 miles per kWh minimum. Obviously that’s for saloon / hatchback. Something like model y size 3.5 is acceptable. And this is something I want to verify myself, very few cars achieved this in my test drive.
Key less entry - I’m too used to it. I don’t want to go back to having to carry keys. I leave the house with just my phone and watch, both can pay for things and open things. They’re locked behind my biometrics so I deem it safe.
Sentry + dashcam - again, this is minimum in today’s day and age to me. The car should always be recording. I’m not getting 3d party camera in a car I already paid +40k for.
Fleet control - this is very country dependent. I can charge my car using wall plug and get super cheap rate or use a dummy charger which isn’t connected to my electricity supplier and the car will let them know how much electricity the car used and it’ll adjust on my bill. In quantifiable terms, this is a saving of 1/4th of charging cost or one of payment of £900 for installing compatible charger per location.
Boot space - I have family, space is needed. The easiest thing for cars to achieve really.
Software - be it accurate navigation, route planning or the touch and feel of it. Tesla Navigation is one I have most experience in. But I have serious confidence in it. I have arrived at home with 0% charge several times because the car said it could. It also got us through insane storm where it also accurately calculated the extra battery drain due to elevation and wind. Do other cars do it? Do they do it well? I know one thing, using Google / apple car play circumvent the in car navigation and charge networks so the built in map is actually important. One day hopefully they start supporting cars and then it’ll be non issue.
People hate on screen only, but I genuinely have never had problems with it. My wife also has no issues opening glove box, adjusting AC or changing songs or putting gps…
Driver safety - this is fairly high on the list of things which will male me hate the car. When you watch a car review. Pay attention to when they say “it’s super easy to turn off driver attention system!” THAT is a red flag. A car shouldn’t have such abysmal safety measures they’re annoying and you need to turn them off each drive because they self turn on. MG has the most annoying one and the dealer HAS LITERALLY TURN THEM OFF IN FRONT OF ME before letting me drive the car. I can’t express how bad some of these are.
Auto steer and cruise control - pretty much standard now days. I don’t need FSD, just simple keep this speed and don’t crash and on motorway, keep in the lane for me. Tesla autopilot is very good but others have come a long way over the 8 years.
Look - I want a sporty looking car and interior I want it to be leather like feel, no fabric, no tacky “recycled” look. I’m paying serious money and I want some comfort. It’s a low bar and pretty much any car I’ve test driven in the price range has been good enough comfort wise. I personally like minimalistic, but I’m not opposed to say the Taycan level.
This has been fun to type out. I hope it makes sense. There were many cars which almost made it. I’m waiting for Xpeng test drive which promises all these things. So we shall see. Our model 3 has 91k on it. It’s still a great car and if we need to spend another 3 years with it waiting for something new? That’s fine.
Agree with all that. Have a T3 with same kind of mileage. Enjoy the car big time. Still I won’t buy a Tesla again because of musk - regardless of how many good offers they keep sending me.
Other cars can drive themselves without docents in or behind the car, but Tesla can’t. What are you smoking?
Arm go up. Line go down. Womp Womp
Tesla needs to build an electric bus, to throw random execs under whenever Musk “pulls a Nazi.”
Tesla has manufacturing quality problems. I’d rather a Japanese or Korean EV.
Don’t piss off your customers is Business 101, Elon, you genius.
He’s too rich to care.
Eh, kind of. Musk is in this weird position where a lot of his wealth is tied up in one company in a way that he really can’t escape from. That’s why he keeps trying to build up XAI into something meaningful. He needs a back up plan for when Tesla’s share price finally collapses. And he can’t sell his stock because any time he does that it triggers an investor panic.
LOL “a journey of continuous evolution”. Is that corpo-speak for a never-ending shit-show with a lying, capricious CEO?
i dunno… but I think maybe we should do a Boston Tea Party 2: Boston Tesla boogaloo.
Throw enough of 'em in the habour, it’ll make the water boil.
I’d be pissed if you dumped that shit into my home, too. I’d not blame Poseidon on bit.
They want to make it more difficult to get out of your car in an emergency.
It has nothing to do with the head of North American sales.
I think we all know who Tesla’s worst enemy is…
Tesla.
Even before Musk went full mask-off, they only had a single practical vehicle- the Model Y.
Model S and X are priced like super cars.
Model 3 is impractical, being a Sedan/Saloon with a fixed rear wall behind the rear seats (it’s not a hatchback)
Model Y is the only one that’s both practical and mildly affordable (it’s still overpriced) - but you’d be better served by a BYD Atto3 for a third of (~AU$35k) the price and the same build quality.
(Atto1 is about a quarter of the price AU$24k vs. AU$96k, but it’s not the same build quality, Atto1 is built-to-a-price and that price is low…) (none of the listed prices are drive-away)
just a friendly reminder that BYD is heavily subsidized by the Chinese government specifically to provide this edge in competitiveness.
Wait until you find out how much is given to north American car manufacturers. They build low quality overpriced crap. Time for a shake up. I’m glad they are afraid of Chinese cars coming to Canada. This is the same BS when the Japanese cars arrived.
We no longer have an auto industry in Australia, so BYD can subsidise all they want. Cheaper cars for us.
Do you know how much money Tesla got from government tax credits?
he U.S. federal government extended approximately $80 billion to $85 billion in loans, grants, and financing to bail out the American auto industry, primarily General Motors and Chrysler, during the financial crisis in 2008 and 2009.
A bit more than 3 billion, a fair amount of it from state and local sources. Also, much of not exclusive to Tesla. (though in practice much of it was, simply because for the longest time was the only real EV manufacturer.
On the other hand, BYD received a bit less than 4 billion in subsidies that were exclusive to BYD.
The US EV subsidies weren’t about increasing competitiveness on foreign markets, but rather to increase adoption of EV’s domestically. That is untrue of BYD’s subsidies.
Try 15 billion when you include all the carbon credits
Still way off from the $85B the US government handed out to the Detroit big three.
and how many has BYD accrued and sold? they’re available to BYD every bit as much as Tesla.
Musk is a nazis, and he profits every second from Tesla. but that doesn’t make BYD the good guys.
AFAIK you can’t get BYD Atto3 in USA or any other ordinary BYD car, because USA won’t allow competition, and has posted steep tariffs on cars from China and EU.
So how the fuck would BYD have received carbon credits for 10 years where thy haven’t been able to sell cars in USA?Tesla is every bit as protected and subsidized as any Chinese brand.
BYD actually pay tax though. How much has Tesla paid?
Name a US automaker, including Tesla that is not heavily subsidized by governments.
San Francisco has new Teslas in droves, oddly. Not sure who is buying them.
Fleet cars. They are dumping below cost.
Not-leftie software bros?
That would just be software bros. They’ve never really been progressive, they just like to vaguely gesture in that direction because they don’t hate gay people enough to fit in with Republicans.
They tend to be libertarians and think they can ‘engineer’ out all the world’s problems.
I was this close 🤏 to immigrate to the Silicon Valley in the early 2010s. There’s a good chance I’d still be enjoying licking boot to this day if that happened.
Musk’s downgrading from Mars to the moon. He’ll now downgrade from selling Teslas to selling driverless Edsels (which, let’s face it, are a better design than Teslas anyway).
They did announce recently that they’re gonna stop making and selling the Model S and Model X and put more emphasis on humanoid robots and AI instead of cars. Everything over there in Muskland seems so terribly chaotic.
