You guys had your chance. Instead you shoved giant fucking trucks and SUVs down our throats while telling us we didn’t want good, small, electric cars. I hope you all choke to death.
China’s got an overcapacity of affordable cars people want, and the US will have an overcapacity of unaffordable cars nobody wants, and we can see which is the better problem to have.
Unfortunately, the US’s cars will become write-offs for the companies, the rich will suffer nothing, and they’ll become rusting landfill waste like Atari 2600 copies of ET.
Difference is Koreans actually build high quality cars and Chinese build quality is debatable.
If the Kias I’ve driven are any indication… No they don’t.
You also do realize that the Chinese make good stuff too right? It’s not just the random brands you see on Temu and Amazon. It’s the same brands you recognize already. Every Apple device for the past 25+ years is Chinese. Every component, every step of manufacturing, every human touch along the way. They’re only designed in California.
China just has an excess of manufacturing capability, because they make everything for everyone. Hell, a lot of “counterfeit” and “knock-off” merchandise rolled off the same exact factory line as the name brand. The factories continue running manufacturing lines after hours to produce excess that gets sold on the grey market, and they also send the stuff that fails quality testing to the grey market.
Manufacturing engineer here, can confirm. China has successfully replicated the success Japan enjoyed a generation ago.
Americans don’t be jealous; more great centers of manufacturing is a win for everybody. This is why we can have nice things! If it still bothers you… git gud lol
They manufacture so much because it’s cheap to manufacture there and that comes at some costs like putting very little value on people and their labor.
Also, designed in California means more than you think for established brands that have to follow American or, usually stricter, California laws.
Labor cost is a part of course… But the bigger thing is that the entire manufacturing process from near-raw materials, through individual component manufacturing, and final product assembly are all located within just a few miles of each other. Things aren’t being shipped across the country multiple times through the process. When manufacturing transportation cost is essentially zero, there is a lot of inherent cost and time savings.
They manufacture so much because it’s cheap to manufacture there and that comes at some costs like putting very little value on people and their labor.
Then we should have prioritized worker treatment in our trade deals. We naturally didn’t because we not only place no value on workers or their labor, but were also willing to forfeit the race to the bottom.
China making bad quality stuff is an outdated stereotype. I hate to sound like I’m a China fanboy because I’m not, but it’s really undebatable; they’re the future now.
It isn’t. Of course established brands make quality stuff; their brand depends on it. It’s the US/Canada/Europe level of qa expectation and local laws that are driving the quality.
And cars are not only expensive as fuck, but also are an absolute necessity in most of US/Canada. I wouldn’t blame anyone for getting a fully loaded $30k brand new electric car over a similarly priced “budget” Kia. Might as well take advantage of the fact that China is subsidizing the other $20k.
There’s almost nothing that can break in an electric car over typical lease period, but I wouldn’t want to keep it past the warranty or get into a serious accident in it.
Good. Eat shit.
You guys had your chance. Instead you shoved giant fucking trucks and SUVs down our throats while telling us we didn’t want good, small, electric cars. I hope you all choke to death.
What you don’t want an EV hummer for 200k USD or whatever tf they charge for vehicles these days?
I… I was trying to disagree. But you’re making it damn difficult.
Maybe they can eat a dick.
No, don’t reward bad behavior. They can eat Trumps unwashed asshole.
As an American…
Say it louder for those in the back.
sadly, “too big to fail, lets bail em out on public $”
Good. It’ll just hasten the collapse.
China’s got an overcapacity of affordable cars people want, and the US will have an overcapacity of unaffordable cars nobody wants, and we can see which is the better problem to have.
Unfortunately, the US’s cars will become write-offs for the companies, the rich will suffer nothing, and they’ll become rusting landfill waste like Atari 2600 copies of ET.
Government subsidized is not the same thing as affordable. As soon as they are embedded, prices will go up.
Just look at Korean manufacturers in US. Some Hyundais/Kias are more expensive than Toyotas. They used to be a great cheap alternative.
Difference is Koreans actually build high quality cars and Chinese build quality is debatable.
I have to say though, the faster Tesla fucking burns, the better. Nazi trash can go fuck himself.
https://www.business-standard.com/companies/news/byd-ev-sales-profit-decline-cash-burn-2025-china-125110300804_1.html
If the Kias I’ve driven are any indication… No they don’t.
You also do realize that the Chinese make good stuff too right? It’s not just the random brands you see on Temu and Amazon. It’s the same brands you recognize already. Every Apple device for the past 25+ years is Chinese. Every component, every step of manufacturing, every human touch along the way. They’re only designed in California.
China just has an excess of manufacturing capability, because they make everything for everyone. Hell, a lot of “counterfeit” and “knock-off” merchandise rolled off the same exact factory line as the name brand. The factories continue running manufacturing lines after hours to produce excess that gets sold on the grey market, and they also send the stuff that fails quality testing to the grey market.
Manufacturing engineer here, can confirm. China has successfully replicated the success Japan enjoyed a generation ago.
Americans don’t be jealous; more great centers of manufacturing is a win for everybody. This is why we can have nice things! If it still bothers you… git gud lol
They manufacture so much because it’s cheap to manufacture there and that comes at some costs like putting very little value on people and their labor.
Also, designed in California means more than you think for established brands that have to follow American or, usually stricter, California laws.
Labor cost is a part of course… But the bigger thing is that the entire manufacturing process from near-raw materials, through individual component manufacturing, and final product assembly are all located within just a few miles of each other. Things aren’t being shipped across the country multiple times through the process. When manufacturing transportation cost is essentially zero, there is a lot of inherent cost and time savings.
I think the bigger things are the nearly slave labor and the temporary government subsidies and the general manufacturing capability and the jobs.
That said, I sure would like cheap, ubiquitous electric vehicles.
Then we should have prioritized worker treatment in our trade deals. We naturally didn’t because we not only place no value on workers or their labor, but were also willing to forfeit the race to the bottom.
We don’t value THEIR workers or THEIR labor either. We value cheap products with many features. That was basically my point from the beginning.
China making bad quality stuff is an outdated stereotype. I hate to sound like I’m a China fanboy because I’m not, but it’s really undebatable; they’re the future now.
It isn’t. Of course established brands make quality stuff; their brand depends on it. It’s the US/Canada/Europe level of qa expectation and local laws that are driving the quality.
And cars are not only expensive as fuck, but also are an absolute necessity in most of US/Canada. I wouldn’t blame anyone for getting a fully loaded $30k brand new electric car over a similarly priced “budget” Kia. Might as well take advantage of the fact that China is subsidizing the other $20k.
There’s almost nothing that can break in an electric car over typical lease period, but I wouldn’t want to keep it past the warranty or get into a serious accident in it.
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BYDs are awesome. You’ll see.
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Also, with China being an evil horrible dictatorship, this definitely isn’t a moral upgrade either.
The U.S has no moral high ground to stand on here, especially under current leadership.