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The moderators of lemmy.ml show an unwillingness to accept rational discussion and demonstrate a flawed understanding of mutual respect.
Discussion continues here
Surveillance protects people from terrorism, and sacrificing some privacy makes us safer.
Do you agree? If not, what is your counterargument?
Edit:
Among the meaningless comments made by people who are incapable of rational thinking, these few are actually meaningful and reasonable.
From @Ildsaye@hexbear.net
Surveillance gives terrorists like the US and its Zionist appendage a huge advantage, and the working class should not be surrendering its data to them without a fight.
However those comments can only prove Surveillance are unacceptable in America and Zionist related countries, Can anyone provide a counterpoint for other countries like Russia, China, India, Japan, South Korea…
First a bit of advice. Your post combines two parts that really ought to be separated:
- A general discussion question whether surveillance is good or not
- Airing of grievances against your treatment by mods in the lemmy.ml community
The first part is not well-received here because saying “we can give up some privacy for safety” in a privacy forum is not a popular argument. You’re welcome to make that argument, but if you do it in a “here’s my view, change my mind” style and act hostile to people that don’t engage directly or don’t take you seriously, it will lead to many downvotes, and possibly removals depending on the instance. You did get some genuine replies which is great, but, I think if you change your approach with the delivery, you will get more.
Second, next time please put the part about your grievances about the .ml mods doing (the stuff about rational discussuon and mutual respect) in !yepowertrippingbastards@lemmy.dbzero.com, strip out the insults (the meaningless and rational thinking part) and keep only the parts relevant to privacy in your post to !privacy@lemmy.ca . If you want to include the best comments from the other thread, copy them into a single top level comment instead of the post body, and your responses in a reply to that comment. I hope this all helps you.
My stance on the discussion topic: the only acceptable invasion of privacy to me is one where the information is relevant and specific to the purpose it is being collected, the public and the person who is surveiled are reasonably informed about it. As an example: Having a security camera pointing outside a building (government or private) to record who enters it is reasonable to retain evidence of crime or records of who enters. Having it collect and retain information of who passes by the building on their way to work with no intention of visiting the building is excessive. Having the information collected for the first, reasonable purpose later being sold or seized to be used for other nebulous purposes (“solve terrorism” without a specific incident as to why it is relevant, or to commercially track travel patterns between buildings) is also across the red line for me, however without robust legislation/court enforcement (edit: in the USA, China or anywhere), that’s not really within my direct control. I can only control up to the point I can avoid have that information collected in the first place. These general principles of mine you can apply to most of the privacy topics like IDs for age verification etc.
This is fucking stupid
First off you tried to post to .ml
Then when it predictably got deleted, you tag a bunch of people and try to drag them somewhere else?
Lots of people don’t want anything to do with .ml, and that includes whatever Idiocracy you’re trying to accomplish here by dragging shit all over the rest of the fediverse just so you can say:
Look at this shit! Isn’t it terrible! Who would want to look at this? Now look at it! Look it!
This is fucking stupid
It is not
First off you tried to post to .ml
yes
Then when it predictably got deleted
Now that the moderators of lemmy.ml show an unwillingness to accept rational discussion and demonstrate a flawed understanding of mutual respect, I see why it is predictable
you tag a bunch of people and try to drag them somewhere else?
This bothering you?
Lots of people don’t want anything to do with .ml, and that includes whatever Idiocracy you’re trying to accomplish here by dragging shit all over the rest of the fediverse just so you can say:
Look at this shit! Isn’t it terrible! Who would want to look at this? Now look at it! Look it!
This is not Idiocracy, the point of this post is to justify or invalidate the idea of “Surveillance on public is acceptable” in countries like Russia, China, India…
Surveillance over (not from) the governments would be fine. I am all for it, if the politicians had to wear body cams 24/7, and the people could watch over them and make an informed decision on who to vote for.
I agree, however the point of this post is to justify or invalidate the idea of “Surveillance on public is acceptable” in countries like Russia, China, India…
What in the HTML is going on here?
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Okay lackey.
you can’t have a meaningful discussion without logical response
If surveillance does not seem to affect their daily lives then they are not bound by the law. They’re simply protected. They have nothing to fear because the government’s terror regime is not directed against them, they simply benefit from the security it provides them. You can not argue against them, they are simply conscious of their own material interests.
Privacy is only valuable if the government is a hostile force, but they have never experienced government hostility. They’re protected. They’re not the ones being dragged out of their houses by screaming masked men or put to work in prisons. They’re fine.
as I can’t reply under the original post I will reply here
Does it mean if Surveillance are acceptable in countries that is not America and Zionist related countries?
There is no evidence of terror regimes in the governments of Russia, China, India, Japan, and South Korea. and people can always argue Surveillance are acceptable when leadership have changed in a country. Does it mean if Surveillance are acceptable in countries like Russia, China, India, Japan, and South Korea… ?
