Tetsuo

I think you just contradicted yourself.

I rest my case about generalization.

Also what does their audience has to do with the fact that you equate a Veritasium channel to a MrBeast channel ?

It’s weird because you started by saying you didn’t understand Youtubers and now you are comparing the audience of entirely different channel.

It’s fine you had a stereotypical conception of Youtubers, you dont need to change the subject.

No it’s DM from people that are not in your friend list. I often receive scam messages on Discord and only notice them months latter.

The simple fact that they will be hidden deep in the inbox IMO is important. If a teen doesn’t see messages from strangers they had no prior contact with that’s good in my book.

I think it’s much better than just letting these nasty DMs stay in the dark anyway.

At least a teen will have to go out of his way and ignore the warnings to get in contact with some freak.

Also what better solution do you suggest to implement ?

So teen-per-default means that adults can freely talk to teens, which should be prevented.

That’s not my understanding.

I get your point but by default if Discord thinks you are a teen it also implies all the limitations associated with that status. Which means some media will be blurred and some commands cannot be done.

An adult can keep his “teen default status” but he also keeps all the limitations associated with it. Which I suppose doesn’t mean they can “freely” talk to other accounts as you state.

Notably the DM that a groomer would send will end up in a special inbox for all teens or for that matter “default teen”.

Please read the Discord official post.

one to access teen spaces,

That account will be tagged as a teen account until proven otherwise. Therefore any message or DM he will receive will go to a special inbox with most likely warnings to consult it.

Please, again, I understand that the pitchforks are out for discord, I’m just asking you to take the time to read the official discord post from top to bottom.

There will still be unknowns until they release the update but your question is already answered by their official post.

Basically, as long as an account hasn’t done an age verification it’s assumed to be a teen. And that means all the limitations attached to that. So you can create 10 accounts if you want either :

• You have proven you are an adult on that account you remove the limitations to what you can do but your messages towards teen accounts will most likely go to that special inbox they mention. No clue exactly how hidden and how much warning are attached to that inbox.

• You have no proven your age and your account is limited like any other teens account. You won’t be able to see “sensitive media” whatever Discord means by that I dont know.

What I really wonder is what they will allow in term of interactions between the two groups in details. They are very vague on many aspects of it.

But multiplying your accounts on discord doesn’t look like a valid workaround to their system.

to understand the appeal of YouTubers.

Come on, are you really putting all the Youtubers in the same boat as MrBeast ?

Take a look at channels like :

• Veritasium
• Technology connections

They only share a platform with MrBeast but it’s not fair to compare them to that prominent idiot.

It’s akin to saying all books are bad because you didn’t like your last book…

Please read the end of my message.

If you are a teen “by default” you will have all the restrictions of a teen until you prove you are an adult.

So an adult with ill intentions should either be :

• A teen by default and therefore have many limitations.
• An adult that have limitations in reaching to teens.

Again it’s what the very vague statement of Discord says. We also have no clue how their “inference model for age classification” works either…

Any source for this ?

The official announcement is quite vague and since the feature isn’t out it’s hard to know how it will work exactly.

Also, I assume the biggest risk isn’t for teens to send nudes “unprompted” but to let adults contact them and ask for them.

This for example is very vague :

Age-gated Spaces – Only users who are age-assured as adults will be able to access age-restricted channels, servers, and app commands.

So if a teen can only interact with other teens on dedicated spaces it should make it harder for perverts to ask for stuff.

And if an adult tries to pretend to be a teen he will only see blurred content ?

I’m sure many will think I’m trying to defend Discord on this but I’m not. Again we dont really know how this update will work. I’m just trying to make sure we dont spread misinformation.

There will be plenty of time to criticize Discord when they push this update.

What I’m sure of is that discord was definitely a platform of choice for many bad people to hunt and groom teens.

Personally, it’s the fact that discord says they will delete my verification data :

Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners are deleted quickly— in most cases, immediately after age confirmation.

In most cases ? Really ? Is that supposed to look trustworthy ?

I’ve been forwarded this pretty neat summary of the current alternatives (Mastodon thread) :

https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@mdiluz/116043145998840217

No. Recently I played a bit using a friends mumble server. And it’s a friend that is already privacy conscious. But these friends are not the norm. They are the exception.

Interesting to see Teamspeak evolved but still you have to pay to host a server so that’s a huge difference.

A federation based discord would be amazing !

But still that’s a big challenge as voice chat will be costly to host.

Also out of curiosity do you aim for something that would connect through the fediverse ?

Sure.

But what are you replacing it with ?

I tried Mumble and Teamspeak in the past and it’s pretty far from the same level of comfort.

Don’t take that the wrong way though, I’m all for supporting open alternatives, I’m just saying you have to think about the features of the alternatives too.

I just saw something about Stoat.chat which seems like a good open source software for that application but a lot of people will have to bear the cost of self hosting these servers.

I know I will think carefully before slamming the door on discord.

Nowadays everyone accepted the name “Discord” but I think it’s a pretty poor choice of branding too.

A communication app called Discord is pretty weird too.

A stoat is a pretty cool animal.

I think without prior knowledge of any voice chat Discord would probably rate worse in perception than Stoat.

AMD hasn’t stopped making consumer GPUs yet.

OpenAI owns a good chunk of AMD and AMD definitely also want their share of the AI pie.

I wouldn’t look at AMD as some savior that wouldn’t ditch consumers for big AI.