If the pushback on social media doesn’t get Discord to drop these plans, then I’ll just have to delete the app.
Not caving to another app asking for Personally Identifiable Information (PII) only for this same data to be leaked months to years later.
Society will do everything to protect children aside from making better parents.
I am also leaving discord, I hated it and the people who use it a lot, but used it to connect to family members. I will find other ways.
This is the same exact cycle I went through with social media, which I also left entirely. I stopped browsing a lot of sites I used to, I took most of my personal info off the internet, and ended a lot of subscriptions.
The internet lately is feeling more and more like making end-of-life plans.
But… But… They pinky promise it’s all secure, and that they won’t hold any of your data! You can’t trust a pinky promise? You monster!
Whatever you do - don’t use telegram.
Would you be willing to elaborate more on this topic?
I hope there is a mass exodus from discord!
already making plans with my battle group t move to team speak 6, which is only an option because they now have screen sharing
Have you considered self hosting Matrix?
Good that there are alternatives but I bet that won’t last for long. More and more apps will copy this.
Or just get bought out. Discord was supposed to be the answer to Twitch getting gobbled up. Then Microsoft gobbled Discord.
Does anyone seriously believe there’s an indie third party social media site immune to a multi-million (possibly even billion) dollar buyout offer? One that won’t go the way of TikTok and be legislatively forced into sale?
i mean… i will pay the license for it, AND i have to self host it, so they have a monetary scheme that will delay the need for sensitization. but it’s 5$ or something, and reportedly has better audio quality, faster transfer rates, and lower overhead then discord. and because i am hosting it, i will have complete control over it and its white list
Where should we go? So many game dev communities are only on discord :(
Other people have been recommending other apps and websites like Stoat and Team Speak though I am sure that a new app will use this opportunity to go viral.
I mean, let me know when it does. I’ll hang out with the Teenager Lock enabled and keep my biometrics to myself.
But there’s no point changing social media ecosystems if nobody I know is in the new site.
What is teenager lock? How can I safely engage with this stuff idek
My discord account is about 10 years old. Do they assume I created it as a 6 year old? Account age alone should be enough to verify I’m an adult with reasonable certainty.
Legally, they can’t be sure you didn’t sell the account, even if the email address is the same.
Not defending the policy here, it’s bullshit. But I’m simply pointing out that they have excuses to beat any logic you throw at them. Logic has nothing to do with it, so it can’t be beaten by logic either.
Selling accounts is against the TOS, surely they can’t be liable if that’s the case.
They will have some kind of nebulously described “thing” that will monitor your browsing and chatting habits on discord and use that to decide your “implicit age” and I wish any of that was a joke or rumor.
They won’t just ask for your face and ID, they are also admitting that AI or something is going to be literally watching you at all times to “determine your age.”
Tell me again how we’re protecting kids? Where them Epstein prosecutions at? We save any kids yet? How about now?
Naw, they assume they can tie all your conversations to some nexus realid and sell all your groups, likes, and dislikes for cash.
Well no, what if you have a Benjamin Button situation going on and will be too young to use Discord in a year or two?They gotta cover all their bases.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t they got a massive leak for gov IDs last year? And they still pushing this bs?! Hello?
You are not wrong.
One of many massive security leaks!
This surely is different, right? I’m sure they learned from last time
I’m sure they’re very sowwy and have learned their lesson and your face and ID and personal, private browsing habits will be perfectly secure, and even the AI bot that will “monitor your habits to decide your implicit age” will be very quiet with all your sensitive personal details and not give it to anyone even if they ask very nicely for it.
Hello!
Hey! Are you okay?
I’m actually pretty happy that Discord is killing itself. Far too many people use it as an official platform for stuff like help forums.
Maybe lets go back to basic message boards that are actually searchable, etc.
Self-hosted options like Mumble also exist.
Self-hosted is a pain to get started with but as everything enshittifies if will only get more important.
As someone who doesn’t use the voice chat feature of Discord, I am always confused when people suggest things like Mumble as an alternative.
I am of the opinion that any project that uses Discord for support, I just immediately ignore.
So mad at retro tink for this…
I’m still salty about The Cutting Room Floor requiring you to log into their Discord to create an account for their website.
Well there is that one nsfw forum that is VERY active. Said forum also provides a list of file hosters that have escaped enshittification.
Those guys pirate the shit out of Japanese games but official nsfw game developers sometimes go there to advertise.
Remember to review bomb it immediately once this drops
Discord was always an overhyped crap.
Not really. At the beginning it was amazing. It took 0 resources to run while gaming and the call quality was miles ahead, nevermind the flexibility around servers and what you could do with them.
Then, as all things, it turned to shit once ot gained market share.
It was an embedded browser embedded website crap since i know it (since 6 years), like m$ crap
Well yes, it was, but it worked, and it was still better than everything else. I’ve been on discord for 9 years.
Embedded browsers aren’t necessarily bad design. They’re super fast to develop, and if done well, can work super efficiently. A browser can have a billion tabs open and work just fine. The same can go with an electron app given that the devs give 2 shits about optimization.
Though if the Discord team doesn’t care about optimizing the electron app, they wouldn’t give a shit about optimizing a desktop app either.
I had to run a server for work. It was right after they put in boosts. At the time, I had to buy my own fucking boosts one at a time.
The whole platform only exists because they made the api easy enough that people could build on it.
You run a Discord server for work? I thought my company using Google was crazy.
When your job has communities that spring up around it, you either get there first, where you can work with the users and help steer, or just sheepishly join in the community efforts.
There are lots and lots of companies that use discord the same way they use facebook, just a place to promote and gather “feedback” and such. They likely mean they ran the official company server, not that they use discord to chat between teams.
Although I’ve done that before too.
we fall back to IRC :)
Why not. If we’re stuck with sketchy, lawless apps for chatting we might as well go back to the OG sketchy, lawless chat app.
Using it for more than text gets to be a bit arduous. I was going to make us a matrix instance, but honestly, we kinda love it when slack explodes and we go back tot he dark ages
it was useful when it was new and there were no alternatives as easy to use.
Now it feels like commercialized app slop that wishes it was actual social media.
Would the best alternative still be something like Matrix/Element or is there something new/better out there?
The problem with these things is that it’s really hard to convince others to move to a better platform.
I am never going to convince my younger family members to change platform, they literally keep discord on 24/7 with their friends and SO’s and keep lobbies open around the clock to wander in and play games and stream and thrive in the social space.
It’s horrifically un-secure and I hate so much about the whole thing from a safety standpoint.
I will likely kill my main account and delete all my personal data and messages, for whatever good that will do, and just make a dummy account to received messages and say hi to family. Same as I did with facebook and other social media.
Tom from MySpace needs to have a second coming.
Dark Tom needs to rise to kick the internet’s ass and create a new, old internet that has no algorithms or bots.
I guess we would need some way to confirm the users aren’t AI or bad actors so we would need to use kind of face reco- oh, I see. We’re trapped in hell.
He’d need to come up with something new. MySpace was sold some years ago.
SpaceHey exists, but just like the old internet moderation is a problem in that site (lots of harassing)
Back in the day before Discord, people used Teamspeak, not sure if it is still around, tho.
Teamspeak is still out there and I use it regularly. Since I’ve never cared about the posting aspect of discord they offer the exact same services.
The general comment and title is simply untrue. They will require verification in cases of known adult or censored content, and in NSFW channels and servers. “Regular” content and spaces are untouched.
That said, I give it 6-10 months before it’s required for all users regardless of content access.
Wouldn’t that significantly destroy their user base? Most servers I have seen it talked about the feeling seems to be not a fucking chance but we don’t use this for porn anyway.
I would love to see a popular alternative appear from this.
Queer people are pornographic according to the authors of these laws
A popular alternative only arises if you migrate to it before it’s popular. There are multiple platforms already available that resemble discord already
Yes but if I want to talk about the game Isonzo, they have a discord but not IRC.
“Regular” content and spaces are untouched.
They are also rolling out something like an AI that monitors your chatting and browsing habits that can determine your “implicit age” as well, this isn’t exactly shocking, but it’s gross how it’s being promoted as a handy feature.
The entire thing is a state surveillance project and yes, they are working on desensitizing the population to having no privacy or personal lives.
Sure hope our government doesn’t collapse to a fascist oligarchy or authoritarian surveillance state, sure could bite us all in the ass when the armed deathsquads get ahold of both our identifications, faces and our ideology and the names and faces of all our friends and family members.
Or would be a shame if all the people who use discord to communicate with other marginalized people suddenly had all their personal information revealed to friends, family and schools, including what chat channels and servers they visit, what games they play, who their friends are and so on.
Oh well, I’m sure the company and the government will be completely fair and transparent about all of our online identities.
You’re blatantly ignoring how these laws are actually implemented and assessing them instead by taking the lies of their authors at face value.
Note my final comment. I understand the reality.
For ID scans, Discord says that documents “are deleted quickly.”
Just a few months ago they had a data leak which proved that they were indeed /not/ deleting documents and ID’s like they had been claiming.
Granted in that case it was mostly countries that force keeping that data but, I’m sick of companies lying and saying “lol yea we defo delete the data after”
We delete your data after we hand it off to our partners. Who definitely do not delete it.
I won’t even give hard drives when recycling a computer, I pull and smash myself. Last set of old drives I cut in half with bolt cutters.
That’s overkill, a couple of passes with dd and it’s irrecoverable.
A couple of passed with dd takes way longer than bolt cutters and it’s much less satisfying
I think they meant you could wipe with dd and then they are
recyclablereusable.EDIT: s/recycleable/reusable
They’re recyclable snipped.
More like they become reusable. A lot of places that refurbish donated computers for people who need them are perpetually short on drives since so much of the hardware they get have the drives pulled.
SSDs are cheap enough, no sense in using a 10 year old mechanical drive to save $30.
Yeah lmao. Wipe one drive at a time with a USB connector. No thanks. I don’t have bulk drive operation equipment and then it ties up a computer doing the work.
Wait, you don’t just hang like 6 of them out of your desktop by their cables and wipe them while you sleep?
saw a setup like that at work, until it was determined to be a fire hazard. which it was.
had to short the start pins of the MoBa with a paperclip to start the damn thing.
we called it “the scorpion”, cause it would shock you if you touched it wrong, and it kinda looked like a scorpion with the cables hanging out all over the floor…
#tales-from-IT
Mine, sure. I replaced 15 desktops that day, no fucking way.
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What’s dd?
A tool, primarily within Linux, that can overwrite disks. I’ve never seen it recommended for data deletion, but I guess it makes sense.
It stands for “disk to disk” and is usually used for things like writing ISOs.
However,
shredis the usual approach.
I think bolt cutters are faster though
And significantly more power efficient
But more wasteful
They’re 500gb mechanical hard drives with financial data on them. Snip and done. No time wasted, not reusing them.
This is not truly foolproof. Data can still be recovered from the spinning metal platter since it can theoretically be removed and put into a recovery device, even in a broken state.
Im addition to that, hard drives/ssd’s sometimes have small flash memory chips, from which data can sometimes be recovered.
If you want it to actually be unrecoverable then you have to actually ensure all parts thay store data are truly deleted/wiped, which is more than just the core platter. Or just use encryption and throw away the key, since all data going through the tiny OS on these devices will be encrypted. Or just store them forever in a vault.
Bud, if you put that platter back together after I snipped it, you deserve every bit of data you get off it, 1000%
It’s not that hard though. There are companies that offer data recovery as a service. If the value of the data on those drives exceeds the cost of those services then it becomes worth it to fish one of the drives out of the dumpster and take it there.
This is a very specialized job, your avg joe is not going to do it. Also, in the many years I’ve been in IT, I’ve never even seen a video of a platter reconstructed and get data off it.
Microwave it idk
I think I’ve never disposed of one for this reason haha
My friend is an exec there. After reading this thread bugged him to buy my software that would protect this vulnerability. They confirmed data/file never leaves the user’s device. Sounds pretty safe.
You do know that it’s bullshit? Unless they’re incredibly incompetent they’re lying to you. If the data never leaves the client then all the checks are client-side, which means it’s relatively easy (compared to a server side check) to bypass those checks.
Afaik the files exfiltrated were photos that the on device detection could not identify and were uploaded to verify server side. That would mean not all pictures are sent to the backend, and that corroborates why “only” 70k photos were stolen when discord has millions of users verified.
Of course you have to put your trust in a closed source system so best not to upload, but if true it’s still a far cry from openly lying about it. It’s probably explicitly stated in their ToS that they may upload the file if the verification fails client side.
Source: Trust me bro.
Already happened in Australia. I can’t access NSFW channels, unless I do a face scan (no thanks).
But the rest of the server you can access?
So far yeah. Only really use it to look for coop groups in game, so still doing its job for me right now.
Okay thanks for your reply.
Oh no. Anyway.
I will use AI image generation, such as “Thispersondoesnotexist”. They can have an imaginary face for their data brokers.
Cool. I’m getting off it so that they don’t think doing shit like this is okay
It sucks that many projects that I am interested in, such as Touhoumon Puppet Dance Encore and assorted hentai projects that are on the platform. For now, I put up with it - but I am very much hoping alternatives are adopted by creators.
I’m worried about the one open source porn game that’s been slowly getting revived over the years. This will probably kill it as the only dev activity was in the discord.
They got scared when a full revolution started in discord channels.
Anyone have a FOSS with screen share / group service?
Are you talking about Iran? That happened over Discord? Is it possible Discord is being forced to do this by Don the Demented’s admin? Might be banking on complying and then seuing for damages down the road.
Nepal or something wasn’t it?
Oooh, right. Yeah.
I would also like to know if stoat offers screen sharing or if it’s just calls and video calls
Interested as well.
I need to move some D&D games to another platform.
Let’s protect the children by scanning everyone’s face and ID and uploading them to a server that’ll get hacked five years from now.
Five years? My, aren’t we optimistic.
Within 5 years, I’d say.
That sounds more like the Discord I know.
Disclaimer: I don’t like Discord and stopped using it years ago. And this announcement is just another step on the road to enshittification. It’s a shit corporation going public and becoming more shit in the process. Simply don’t use their shit.
However, it seems a bit rage-baity to claim that Discord will require age verification for all users. That simply doesn’t seem to be true. Age verification will be required for users who don’t feel the basic features are enough. Were I still dumb enough to use Discord, I don’t think I’d feel the need to go for the age verified account.
“Hacked” I’m convinced most of them are selling it, then claiming being hacked so they have plausible deniability when the alias/e-mail you ONLY used for discord starts getting spam+. Depending on if you linked your number, etc…
And said data will never be used for fake CSAM or a library for the powerful to handpick their next victims
Don’t worry, it will only require us adults to give ID’s.
They will only make porn of us, everything is fine then!
I hear you, but what about: it actually will be used for those things?
There’s a disturbing amount of people thinking of the children
