Anyone who thinks their AR-15 ga going to let them take on a tyrannical government has no understanding of how tanks work.
The US’s violence budget far exceeds any existing well regulated militia, let alone Cletus’ gun cabinet. The government can kill us from a great height from outside of visual range. That’s why it’s very very important to elect people you can trust, or have a revolution if the candidates are all trash. It’s a very good reason to not elect a maniacal, demented, fucking moron. Oops.
That said, it’s not about being able to win a war against the government, it’s about making it more trouble than it’s worth.
A person has to get in that tank, and sooner or later, they have to get out again…
Hello folks.
For reasons unrelated to this post I believe everyone should get into the FPV drone hobby. People with minimal constitution can get great results - especially gamers!
A radio controller is about $150, and can be used with many great simulators on steam. Once you are comfortable with the simulation, invest in a (few) drones. Most of their parts can be 3D printed for cheap, and the rest bought from Chinese companies for cheap.
It is a lot of fun to fly around in the first person view. I hear they are very popular in Ukraine for some reason.
You can be non-peaceful and be non-violent.
Disturb the fucking peace, you don’t need a gun for that. In fact having a gun with you might make things more dangerous.
Nobody is shooting at ICE, weapons do not help. They only make you feel like you are prepared while achieving nothing.
Now, spiking tires with nails, a car breaking down, blocking the street ICE wants to take, punching a nazi… that’s way more effective, easy and (slightly) safer.
Fuck “the right to bear arms”, you don’t need legal weapons, do illegal shit, fuck their peace up. Do not let them sleep, eat or work. Be disturbing the peace, be gay, do crime. You do not need weapons, you don’t need violence, you do need to step out of line and stop being peaceful.
Peaceful can be ignored.
Look to the yellow vests in France for inspiration.
Funny thing is, if an armed populace is utterly incapable of doing a single damn thing as the gun banners say they are, WHY do the authoritarians in charge of these powerful modern military still banning guns?
Same reason they only come out when surrounded by bulletproof glass or in sniper-controlled areas now. They don’t want to be individually targeted.
Now it’s interesting to imagine what would happen if hundreds of officials were individually targeted, but having a bunch of guns at your house ≠ that. Still the issue of targeted suppression exists, and would be highly effective.
If you burn down a neighborhood, if you shoot an RPG or a drone at a house, none of the guns inside matter, except they make it more lethal as you try to escape. They also make your house more unsafe for kids and yourself (statistically).
Arming yourself up defensively just doesn’t do much. If they want you dead, they’re gonna do it in a zero-casualty-for-them way. They can do that en masse, they can do that in rural or urban areas. They train for that 24/7. They love that.
Arming yourself offensively, well that’s something else. I don’t know if that’s what’s being suggested when this issue comes up though.
“Arm” yourselves with gas masks, hardhats, traffic cones (if holes for air at the top, duct tape them shut.
Cops shouldn’t have assault rifles either, they’re not the military. I find the second amendment so fucking dumb. It’s to rise up against a tyrannical government. But since you have it, precisely now is the time to use it. Helloooow? Why don’t you use it? You have a tyrannical government full of pedophiles. All those decades full of innocent deaths, all so you can keep your precious second amendment, just in case you reach a point you are in now. Well, go ahaid then, prove all those deaths were worth it. Bunch of self-centered uneducated hypocrites.
I agree with you. The issue is that the people who have been fighting to keep the second amendment are the ones who are siding with and enabling the government. The pro-second amendment people are the ones who voted for Trump in the first place.
So? Are they the only ones allowed to buy guns? Or is the second amendment also for the Trump haters?
When my government would turn complete authoritarian fascist, I would love it if I could just buy a gun in the local supermarket.
I’m assuming from the way your comment is worded that you’re not from the U.S.
Blue states tend to have much stricter gun laws, as another user pointed out. For example, in California, “Assault Rifles” are banned. You most certainly cannot walk into a supermarket and buy an AR-15. As far as i’m aware, most major retailers including Walmart don’t sell guns at all in California. Even handguns have a maximum magazine capacity. No more than 10 rounds. Much less than your standard Glock or Sig Sauer.
I’d also like to point out that “Buying a gun in the local supermarket” is a little bit of a misconception. It’s true that some superstores sell guns, but they aren’t right next to the milk and bread. They’re in locked cabinets in a specific part of the store where you’ll also find other hunting equipment. The whole point of a superstore/supermarket is that they sell everything in one place as opposed to the pre-supermarket days where you had to go to multiple different stores just to get your weekly shopping supplies.
Over here, we don’t need to buy guns with our weekly shopping supplies. We have liquor over 20% alcohol in a different section of the store. Can’t even buy cigarettes at the supermarket. Even slingshots and batons are illegal here. Did you know, with a 10 round magazine you can still kill 10 people before reloading? If your aim is right. That’s an acceptable amount? As those magazine sizes are allowed.
Well for starters, we can’t just buy a gun in a supermarket. You seem to not actually know what you’re talking about and just get information from memes.
I would love it if I could just buy a gun in the local supermarket.
The democrat states/cities have much harsher gun laws. The republican states/cities aren’t going to resist Trump.
If more people would move to the left we would see more anti-fascist gun resistance (think Black Panther Party). But since people still believe that we can fix this decades-long decline by voting in the right Democrats, we’re going to have to learn the hard way.
What is an assault rifle? I don’t think what non-military civilians or police carry qualify. I know a few grandfathered fully automatic rifles are out there but they cost like $40k and they’re mostly in the hands of collectors. Most guns are semi auto and semi auto rifles are great for hunting things like wild boar.
Most guns are semi auto and semi auto rifles are great for hunting things like
wild boarfascists.The only problem is when we define everyone who disagrees with us as a fascist. I won’t go hunting authoritarians but if they bring a fight, I’m ready to finish it. That includes authoritarian fascists and leftists, because I’m not on board with either.
I’m not labeling anyone I don’t like a fascist. Like Trump, calling people fascist communists. Like, how does that even work exactly?
I only classify fascists as such if they behave like fascists.
The interpretation of the 2nd amendment that the courts take never made sense to me. It clearly says states can have well-regulated militias, not that citizens must have rifles with 50rd drum magazines.
That’s because Antonin Scalia was a feckless hypocrite
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Emphasis mine - obviously there’s more than one interpretation, but I think that if the intent was to only protect the rights of people to keep and bear arms if and only if they are members of some organized militia, it would have been clearly indicated by the text. It seems obvious to me that everything before that comma is explanatory, personally.
It’s very funny to me how much of US law discussion is arguing the intent of what some slavers wrote 250 years ago.
Is it even worse in Europe? Are people holding up the Magna Carta and going “see, it was never intended for widows to remarry”
The reality is that a lot of that law discussion is bullshit, the Supreme Court infamously just picks and chooses constitutional interpretations to support whatever goes in line with whatever they wanted to do in the first place. The more you learn about the Supreme Court, the more obvious it becomes.
I can’t speak for the rest of Europe, but we don’t have anything similar here, but we don’t have a written constitution.
Perhaps. I read it as the “setup” being the emphasized part (i.e. the context set by the first part of the sentence), with the states being a representative of the “people” under the political theory at the time… This was written by the elite more or less fine with slavery and indentured servitude, and only thought that white male landowners really counted. Either way, I think regular citizens should be able own firearms.
Gandhi was non violent and unarmed. But he WAS NOT peaceful. His protests were absolutely poison for the colonial economy and he broke several laws and had stints in prison during his time.
I’m reminded in this time that one of the reasons that Japan dare trying to invade the USA was “A gun behind every blade of grass.” Helicopters, planes, drones can’t hold positions. You need troops on the ground to hold a position to keep people in line. It’s hard to to do that when you can be shot from any direction.
As well to me, if I’m facing the possibility of being killed execution style for just demonstrating or helping someone that was maced, I’d rather be armed. Even if I have little chance of surviving, that’s better than 0.
Spoiler, the British cared more about Indians than this administration cares about its citizens.
COPY/PASTA
In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.
Owning a gun isn’t enough. Driving to Cabela’s and picking up a vermin killing .22 rifle is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.
I am not advocating for violence…far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.
PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors and/or active hearing protection. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn’t about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect. Suppressors might be out of reach for most but quality active and passive hearing protection is not.
Familiarity is important, training will save your life.
Get an IFAK and go to a stop the bleed class https://www.stopthebleed.org/
If you’re currently versed in Firearms and are able to start a chapter, or if you are lucky enough to live in an area with a local chapter the SRA is a good organization. However they are apparently fractured and their politics may not align. https://socialistra.org/
https://www.blazingsword.org/ is better for LGBTQ+ anarchists that tend to not get along with Tankies.
A more decentralized option could be a John Brown Gun Club https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/john-brown-gun-club
Good basis of organized tactics. The guide below is more about organized movement than direct fire. Below will NOT help you in a firefight as it relies on a much larger trained force than you are likely to have. Good to know what the bastards study though. https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/TBS/B2F2837 Rifle Squad Tactics.pdf?ver=2015-05-27-100939-710
How to avoid getting balled up and kettled. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarch-ish-how-to-win-at-kettling-a-guide-for-non-policemen
Sabotage guide from WW2 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184.txt.utf-8
General armed defense https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/organizing-armed-defense-in-america
How to organize a rapid response from a very high level with further detailed resources. https://southerncoalition.org/resources/rapid-response-101/
Good general advice on organizing, also a good resource to find groups near you that are likely aligned. https://www.fiftyfifty.one/organizer-resources
Feel free to reach out for any other resources
Don’t forget the John brown gun club
Unfortunately, you also need to know how you’ll react in a life or death situation. Most people haven’t experienced being involved in a gun battle, and no matter how you think you’ll react, you don’t know until shots start firing.
I had always assumed I’d freeze up if it happened, but when I was on Bourbon Street during Mardi gras when shots rang out, I surprised myself. I immediately, without thinking, got down and ducked into an alley, then had to go back for my friends who froze.
what is up with so many people having buckees profile pics?
Irony.
It could be just me. I’m on day 5 of a hellish production upgrade, so I’ve had nothing else to do but shitpost on Lemmy and watch Olympic coverage as I babysit this shitshow.
lol maybe, maybe I’ve just seen you around a lot on lemmy
Maybe I’m just old, but suppressors seem pointless to me. If I understand correctly, you need to use subsonic ammo to get the full effect, which pretty much negates the extra “stopping power” of rifles (or higher velocity handguns). Simple foam ear plugs, like many people wear to work, can be as good or better in terms of db reduction if going to a range or popping some off in “the back 40” if you’re fortunate. If you need to run to your gun in an emergency to save you’re own life, I don’t think you’d take the time to grab your hearing protection. Hearing impaired is better than dead. And you’re definitely not going to EDC active hearing protection. Perhaps I’m not understanding the benefits though. I see the benefits if it’s like your job or something (work at a range, are a rancher that shoots vermin/predators at night). I suppose if you’re training in some kind of militia to work in a squad, active hearing protection with integrated radio would be nice, but virtually nobody is doing that.
Even with hearing protection protracted use of firearms still causes hearing damage. A suppressed firearm is going to cause less damage over time than an unsuppressed. Is it perfect? Nope, but it is better than nothing.
I recently watched a video on the differences of a suppressed and unsuppressed weapon in the field. You can tell a difference certainly, and again, it’s enough to reduce harm to your hearing.
It really is a damn shame suppressors are illegal in California.
It’s moronic. We demand lower noise in most products, but demand higher noise in guns because we can’t distinguish Hollywood bullshit from reality. I think most CA Dems would accept the premise that reducing injurious noise levels while participating in a legal activity is a good idea, but institutionally they’d never give an inch on gun laws.
Let’s be real here, if CA had their way, the only guns citizens would be legally allowed to own are muzzleloaders/muskets, and even then those would be heavily regulated.
I swear, CA becomes more of a nanny state by the day, and unfortunately, many people in LA and SF just nod in smug approval.
For sure, but my point was that t hey know that outright banning guns is nearly impossible, so they’ve done essentially what the republicans have done on abortion. They’ve attacked it on every other conceivable angle: they’ve made it hard to buy guns, hard to use them, hard to run any business that sells them, hard to buy ammo, hard to stay in legal compliance with constantly changing laws and case law.
The state’s strategy has essentially morphed to enacting every law and policy that makes it harder to buy, own, and use guns, knowing that most of them are not legal, but get them tied up in courts indefinitely. It’s a scummy strategy, but it’s been fairly effective.
I thank Reagan and the Democrats for that. That act was unanimously passed just because white people were scared of black people protecting themselves from the racist cops.
Except for current or former police officers. They can buy what they like and even sell to people no questions asked.
Suppressors also make your aim better
I like not being a gringo.
I like living in a normal country.
I like living in a country that’s not controlled by a cabal of pedofiles.
Ok to points 1. and 2.
But where is this Shangri La you speak of?
The what?
The this:
[Author] portrays Shangri-La as a mystical, harmonious valley, gently guided from a lamasery, enclosed in the western end of the Kunlun Mountains. In the novel, the people who live in Shangri-La are almost immortal, living hundreds of years beyond the normal lifespan and only very slowly ageing in appearance
So elves live in Shangri-La?
Unfortunately, no one is free of the influence of the US and its cabal of pedophiles.
The cabal of pedophiles isn’t limited to just the US.
Doomed if you do. Doomed if you don’t. So might as well be a man and do what you believe in.
“Please guys, I know they’re killing us now, but if you arm up, they will still kill you. Take the high road, know that you did in your final moments as they’re beating you to death then execute you like Alex was.”
You all have guns, don’t see anyone using them but the popo? Way to stand against an aggressive state, eh!
Because we don’t all have guns, the data is skewed by the far right rednecks who each have like 20 guns
Where are you looking for the report coverage?
Yeah, that whole second amendment thing turned out to be the joke we all thought. I’ve never known a nation to just roll over and take it as much as this bunch. They’re pathetic and their overlords obviously know it.
Or, and hear me out here, we’re really trying to not give dipshit the ammo he needs to deploy the military against us. Because when that happens, it’s game over.
Compliance in advance with fascism to avoid violence does not prevent violence. It allows violence to continue against minority groups, to the benefit of the majority.
So the Second Amendment is indeed redundant then.
If we resist his deployment of the military and feds into our cities he may deploy the military to our cities
Fun fact! If you’ve ever been involuntarily committed to like a psychiatric hospital you’re barred by Federal law from owning firearms! Some kinds of emergency and temporary holds are okay, but yeah because my wife had technically gotten involuntarily committed years ago before we met because she couldn’t make it to the hospital safely for it to be voluntary she can’t have them at all and it’s unclear if I’d be able to with my own history of mental health issues
Who you gonna shoot? I’m serious. Stalin was a bankrobber. Haitians drove Napoleon’s army into the sea with machetes. The Black Panthers took several pigs off roll-call. What’s your plan, revolutionary?
Not a stand up fight, there should be enough in a crowd that if they don’t feel safe trying to execute another person like they did Alex.
Im not american but hopefully nobody. Their whole rationality for having guns everywhere all the time is that if everyone has a gun nobody needs a gun.
We, the rest of the world, think its a stupid idea, but if the government is literally killing people in the streets and declaring the murderers as heroes, its not looking so daft.
They use the same rationale for international security. If everybody gas nuclear bombs, then nobody needs them. It’s insane doomsday evangelism dressed up as a debate club argument.
For the first time in my life I have considered a gun. I agree with your comment, it’s typically something I don’t need or want. I don’t want my neighbours to want them or need them.
But here we are and it’s terrible.
How do you shoot children in school then?
Simply being prepared for the worst is a plenty fine plan. Just, actually be prepared, don’t just buy a gun and expect to know how to use it proficiently when the need arises.
I believe that I can go to the store and purchase a sense of security. Once I own a gun, I can indulge in revolutionary fantasies that aren’t complicated by material conditions.
Safety is just another thing we’ve commoditized. No need to struggle against my own alienation or form coalition with my neighbors.
How did this work out for Alex Pretti? He’s the perfect example of how this shit will/would play out. Stop telling people to commit suicide ffs.
Martin Luther King Jr. was only successful because he was the carrot, The Black Panthers were the stick. But tell me again how being armed is a bad idea entirely when it’s shown in history disarmed populations are just easier pickings.
Renee Good didn’t have a gun and got killed anyways. It’s a good idea for everyone to arm themselves to fight fascism, believe it or not.
Do you realize that Minnesota is doing it right and that we should follow their lead instead of criticizing them?
I’m not criticising anyone, just pointing out your fallacious reasoning. For what it’s worth, I don’t think there is one single “right” approach, revolutionary movements are complex and multi-faceted, successful movements usually have a more moderate wing and a more militant wing, I want to see that more militant wing start to become bigger, stronger, and more visible. A peaceful protest movement by itself accomplishes very little - it is the state’s fear of the threat of worsening violence which actually brings about a change. For that fear to be realized, it needs to be visible. I don’t want widespread violence or mass shootings, I just want visibly armed protesters standing up against ICE and defending themselves if necessary.
No bro just roll over and take it bro pls I’m telling you
So basically your answer is “no, go commit suicide”
No no bro bro listen
Your answer is to just die on your fucking knees. I guess that’s a way to go out.
Alex was a kind and caring individual, and if he thought he was going to die I bet he still wouldn’t have used his sidearm.
I, on the other hand, am not a kind and caring individual. If someone rolls up on me aggressively, my instinct is to pull out and let god sort them out.
that said, I have hyper situational awareness. I don’t put myself in compromising situations. I get myself out of them.
I’m not a badass. I’m not a hero. I’m just a guy trying to come home to his family.
I have no clue of what you’re trying to say.
what I’m trying to say is just because one person doesn’t show the initiative to protect themselves shouldn’t make it acceptable to deny others the ability to protect themselves.
I’ve been in situations that would have not happened had I shown my resolve to protect myself.
having a firearm is more than just a form of protection, it’s also a form of deterrent, and a form of rebellion. it’s a symbol showing others your resolve.
“I am very bad ass.”
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Make sure someone takes video of when you “fight back.” I’d love to see how it all plays out.
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I just need a few Barrett m82s for squirrel hunting… It’s my right!
Maybe to make squirrel puree, if you can even hit the lil fella with that cannon
